Creed III [feat. Cara Coughlin]

Speaker 0 00:00:00 Trigger warning. This episode discusses Jonathan Majors and the abuse and domestic violence allegations against him. Speaker 0 00:00:22 Hey everyone. I'm Brian, and this is Snorkeling with Narwhals. And you may be wondering, where's Slippy? Well, this is something that I've been thinking about for a while, and it is a subseries, a spinoff, and whatever you want to call it, that I, I want to do called Brian goes to the movies. It's very original title and it's pretty much stealing from Cisco and Ebert. So if you have any ideas for something better, like I'll probably use it. Um, but the idea was I hadn't gone to a movie since like early 2020 and then late last year I started going to some things again. And now this year I'm just super pumped and like going to a lot of movies. Um, sometimes I need pushed into it, but I've been going. So I was like, I thought it'd be really cool to do an episode about each movie that we saw. Now the first one is Creed three, which I saw with my sister, Kara McKay, AKA care of the Hooligans. Also my sister that I mentioned the first time. Speaker 2 00:01:31 Who? <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:01:34 Hi Dr. Care Speaker 2 00:01:36 <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:01:37 So we're kinda a little, a little behind the scenes here. Uh, we were recording for like 10 minutes. Yeah. At least before I realized that there was, it wasn't recording. I Speaker 2 00:01:48 Realized it Speaker 0 00:01:49 Care realized it. So this is, I was like, let's just start the whole thing over. Uh, so this is the second take. So if we seem a little like <laugh> slab happy, that's probably why Speaker 2 00:02:00 <laugh>, because this is time number two <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:02:04 Um, okay. So yeah, there is a possibility that Slippy will do his own episodes about movies at some point. Um, I know he has some, uh, movie or some episodes planned with his brothers. Um, but as of now, this is just me with guests. So like whoever I saw the movie with, hopefully. So for Creed three I saw with my sister. Speaker 2 00:02:25 So me <laugh> Speaker 0 00:02:26 Her. So Speaker 2 00:02:29 How's that gonna work with dates? Like what if it's a first date? Speaker 0 00:02:33 Well, I, first off, I know never to go on a first date to the movies because you can't get to know them at all. Speaker 2 00:02:41 It's also where you lose hats. Speaker 0 00:02:43 <laugh>, I am o for three on movie dates. Hmm. Like within 24 hours of each, each movie date, like it was done. Maybe didn't like Movie Choice. Speaker 2 00:02:54 <laugh>. What? Maybe they didn't like your movie choice. Speaker 0 00:02:57 Well, okay, so the first one was Inside Out. Speaker 2 00:03:01 That's a great one. Speaker 0 00:03:03 The second one was Abominable. Speaker 2 00:03:05 What? Speaker 0 00:03:06 That's a Dreamworks. It's really cute. Okay. Speaker 2 00:03:08 I didn't see that one. Speaker 0 00:03:10 Um, and the third one was the, A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood. Oh, the Mr. Rogers one with Tom Hanks. Maybe Speaker 2 00:03:16 It made, they're sad. I, Speaker 0 00:03:18 I don't know. But especially that last one, I lost my Green Ranger beanie in the movie theater. Yeah. And I'm really sad Speaker 2 00:03:26 <laugh> more so than losing out on the Date <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:03:29 Oh yeah. I couldn't care less about that really. I mean, I got over it pretty quickly, but I can't find that hat again. Speaker 2 00:03:37 No, you can't buy it anywhere I've looked. Nope. Speaker 0 00:03:40 But yeah, so I'm kind of hesitant about movie dates. Speaker 2 00:03:44 Fair. Speaker 0 00:03:45 But, uh, let's, let's get into the movies. So first off, I love the Rocky Series. Uh, I own them all. I've seen them all. Even the directors cut a four. Um, my favorite. You love four? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:04:00 Four's the best. And by probably also the worst by the four. Speaker 0 00:04:04 Well, there's still five. Speaker 2 00:04:07 Uh, and I like the street fight though. Speaker 0 00:04:09 I do two and two is just like a rehash of one. Speaker 2 00:04:14 I did not like Balboa from Speaker 0 00:04:16 What I recall. Bbo was good. It's boring, but it's good. Speaker 2 00:04:19 That's, I don't wanna watch a boring boxing movie. <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:04:22 Well, so then the idea, it sounded really stupid. These movies have like the Creed movies have no right to be any good, cuz it's like Rocky Trains Apollo's son to become a boxer. I'm like, that sounds derivative and not very good. Speaker 2 00:04:37 <laugh> more rocky. Speaker 0 00:04:38 Yeah. Um, but the first Creed you're like, oh, this is really good. Sylvester Stallone's really good in it. Michael Jor Michael, his name is Michael Jordan. Speaker 2 00:04:47 It is Michael Jordan. Speaker 0 00:04:49 Michael B. Jordan, uh, wow. As great as Adonis. Then the second one, Speaker 2 00:04:54 Imagine a Rocky movie though, where he is training literally Michael Jordan <laugh> as Young Apollos son <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:05:04 It's like, we need to teach you to be a champion. He's like, uh, I've already got <laugh> some rings. Speaker 2 00:05:08 I'm also like 50 something <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:05:11 But then Creed two was great. It took the story of Rocky four, which is like the silliest movie and made it really serious. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So when Creed three came out, or like when there was talks of it, I was immediately in. And the idea of Michael B. Jordan directing it was very interesting. Speaker 2 00:05:30 And Speaker 0 00:05:31 Because yeah, like we'd never seen him direct anything. Um, was that his first Speaker 2 00:05:36 Foray into directing? Speaker 0 00:05:38 I believe so. At least his first like, full length thing. Hmm. Speaker 0 00:05:42 Um, so the movie Stars Michael B. Jordan, Tessa Thompson, and Jonathan Majors. So before we get too far, we have to address the elephant in the room, which is Yes, we know that Jonathan Majors is in a lot of legal trouble right now. So according to Kelsey Gibson of people, he was arrested in March in New York City, alleged of domestic dispute between him and another woman. He was charged with multiple misdemeanor counts of assault and harassment dropped from multiple projects and his PR company, there's more abuse allegations and then May 9th, according to people in a statement that they obtained following the hearing, whatever hearing it was, uh, major's attorney said that her team has provided the Manhattan District Attorney's office with irrefutable evidence that the alleged victim in the March 25th incident that led to his arrest is lying about the facts of the case. So obviously he is innocent until proven guilty, but it's a bad look. And if it's true, Speaker 2 00:06:44 He's Speaker 0 00:06:44 Terrible. Yeah. It's pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah. And his career's probably over. Oh yeah. Like I thought he was gonna have a big month of March specifically, but also year cuz he was, you know, he was the antagonist in Creed and Kang. The Conqueror in Antman. Yes. And he's basically supposed to be the next big villain for Marvel. Speaker 2 00:07:07 Well, probably not anymore. Speaker 0 00:07:09 So we are aware that's kind of why we pushed off this podcast for a while. Um, apparently, you know, my idea of an emergency podcast is months later, <laugh>. But yeah, Speaker 2 00:07:20 Don't call Lyle for emergencies. Speaker 0 00:07:22 Don't count on me for emergencies. Hey everyone. So there's been more stuff about Jonathan Major's abuse allegations coming out, and I just wanted to talk a little about them, uh, since it's been a while since we actually recorded the episode. Um, so I'm gonna be talking about info from a Rolling Stone article by Cheyenne Roundtree and Althea Legaspi from June 29th. And an article by Morgan Hines of u s A today from June 30th, which references the Rolling Stone article a lot. I'm gonna use direct quotes, some paraphrases, a mix of both. But according to the Rolling Stone, um, the New York Post in times both reported that the New York Police Department has alerted officers that there may be reason to arrest the woman who accused majors of assault in March. Um, that does not exonerate majors, but it's, it's more info in the investigation. And Rolling Stone did a three month investigation with around 40 sources that they talked to that shed light on physical, mental and emotional abuse that majors has inflicted over the past 10 years on workers on projects that he is worked on, on peers, on partners, uh, that for instance, they, they talk about, you know, emotional abuse, he inflicted on one partner and emotional and physical abuse on the other. Speaker 0 00:08:42 Um, there's, there's more in the article, a link to it when we post the episode, but this is a direct quote from the Rolling Stone. Many describe majors as being a complicated, unpredictable, and sometimes violent man who can switch from charming to cold in a flash. Um, that's really disturbing because that's his best attribute as an actor is that he can switch like his emotions. But if any, like, it's, it's scary to think that that's not just an act. Um, so if any of these allegations are true, like it's horrible and he deserves to be punished, uh, I didn't want to to lead to publish this episode without the updated information or at least some updated information. Um, again, in this episode we try to distinguish the art from the artist, which is incredibly difficult. Um, and it's a debate that, you know, people have been having for a long time if you even can. So yeah, that's just some info. Now back to the episode. So the plot of the movie, Adonis Creed is the champion. He has one last match and he retires. So he ends up meeting up with a childhood friend that they grew up in a group, group home together. His name is Damien Anderson. And Jonathan Damian is what Speaker 2 00:10:06 Jonathan Majors for those who have been Jonathan met Jonathan Majors seen it, yes. But are listening to this podcast. <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:10:12 Yes. Um, Damien has kind of a chip on his shoulder because he and Adonis got caught by the police when they were young and he helped Adonis escape and he took the rap for what happened, which was like a fight where someone got beat up pretty bad. He also pulled a gun. Speaker 2 00:10:33 So Speaker 0 00:10:34 He also pulled a gun. Not Speaker 2 00:10:35 A good look, Speaker 0 00:10:37 Not a great look. So he ended up going to prison and he was supposed to be like a a up and coming boxer. Like they showed one match of him as an amateur and he was really good. Oh yeah. You know, he basically called his shot for when he was gonna knock the guy out. Um, so he has kind of a grudge because he thinks that he deserves the life that Adonis is living cuz Adonis basically got to do everything that he was supposed to do. So when he gets out of jail, he comes to Adonis and they end up, he wants to get like a championship shot. So, um, Adonis doesn't want to do that, but he does. Which is fair. <laugh>. Yeah. It's fair. Like how do you, you Speaker 2 00:11:18 Could just give some rando a shot even though you're friends. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:11:21 I mean the boxing world too, I think is is super, there's like a lot of politics in it. Yeah. Um, where like, you know, people are making deals behind the scenes trying to, you know, become the contenders. And so just throwing a random guy out there isn't really something that happens except in Rocky, Speaker 2 00:11:38 Probably very frowned upon, except in Rocky and Creed three. Speaker 0 00:11:43 Yeah. And Creed One really Speaker 2 00:11:46 All Speaker 0 00:11:47 Basically the entire series <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:11:49 There's a lot of just throwing randoms. Randos. Speaker 0 00:11:53 So, so eventually he does get a title shot. Um, and he, he shows his true colors after he wins the bell really quickly, <laugh> really quickly. And he shows Adonis that he's not a good guy. And so then he challenges the Adonis to a fight and then they have a fight. So that's the basic gist of the movie. We'll get into it some more, but Speaker 2 00:12:12 Adonis antagonized him into challenging for a fight so he could win it back. Speaker 0 00:12:17 Adonis antagonized him. Speaker 2 00:12:19 Yeah. Remember he called him when they were on, when he was on Sports Center and he is like, oh hey. And he just kinda like, basically worked him up. So he wanted to challenge him for, to a fight for the belt. Speaker 0 00:12:30 Yeah. I took it, I took it more as Damien was like, he wanted Adonis to fight him. So he was saying all this stuff to get under his skin. Speaker 2 00:12:41 Potato, tomato, <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:12:43 Um, yeah, Speaker 2 00:12:45 I think <laugh>, well I mean, as someone who's watched it a second time. <laugh>. Oh <laugh>. I think that's what happened. But I could be, could be wrong. So I guess Speaker 0 00:12:59 This movie, uh, it was the first opening night I'd seen since 2019, which was the Rise of Skywalker. Um, I wanted it cuz like, I struggled through the pandemic with O C D and Fear of Covid. Um, so I wanted to go to this opening night, like, kind of as a challenge. Like, I'd seen some movies already, but nothing opening night since 2019. So we went, it was awesome. And so good. My, my love of the movies of going to the movies is back. Speaker 2 00:13:34 Yay. Speaker 0 00:13:35 Yay. So I have a huge list of prose for this movie obviously, cuz I thought it was really good. <laugh>. So Speaker 2 00:13:44 Lay 'em on me Speaker 0 00:13:45 First off. Like, I love the Rocky series. So it had a default lead on other movies going into it. Like, you know, if you think about it, if if you were just watching this movie and didn't know anything about Rocky, you'd be like, why do I care about any of these people? Speaker 2 00:14:01 Yeah. If this was like the, the first of a movie Yeah. Series Speaker 0 00:14:06 Or just like an unrelated boxing movie thing, Speaker 2 00:14:09 You might be a little hesitant. Speaker 0 00:14:11 Yeah. But I love Rocky and I've seen the first two, so I, it already had a lead going in. Um, it gave really good development to Adonis, I thought. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah, because in the, in the first one, you know, it's, you know, the first two, it's kind of about his legacy with his, his dad. Um, but this one was kind of like him as a person Speaker 2 00:14:33 And a father. You are going A father, Speaker 0 00:14:37 I said King, you're going to be king. Um, but no, like, it, it went into his childhood before he got adopted by Apollo's wife Maryanne, who we'll get into later. But, um, good Speaker 2 00:14:53 <laugh> Speaker 0 00:14:54 It showed, it showed you know him. Speaker 2 00:14:57 I have some things to say about her, Speaker 0 00:15:00 That's why I said it. Cause I know you do <laugh>. Um, so it, it got into his like what it was like before that when he was in a group home with Damien and know Speaker 2 00:15:10 It wasn't Speaker 0 00:15:11 Good. It wasn't, um, and then they still hung out after he was living with Apollo's wife. Maryanne, I don't know if I said her name already. You did. Her name is, her name is Maryanne. In case you couldn't tell Speaker 2 00:15:23 Apollo's wife if you didn't know Speaker 0 00:15:25 Adonis's mother, adoptive mother Speaker 2 00:15:27 Adopted some other kid's. Actual Mother Speaker 0 00:15:31 <laugh>. Okay. Yeah. Let's, let's just do it now. Care, what's your problem with Marianne Creed? Speaker 2 00:15:37 My problem with Marianne Creed is that spoiler alert, she's dying and she's in bed in the throes of death. And all she's talking about is Adonis when well, and Apollo, both of them. But she said earlier in the movie, I think two kids. Speaker 0 00:16:00 Yep. At least Speaker 2 00:16:01 She's got two other children that are her children. And she adopted Adonis when he was like 11 ish maybe. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:16:11 Around Speaker 2 00:16:11 There. I don't remember. And not to say anything about, you know, adopting children, they're just as much of your child now. But like, <laugh> Speaker 0 00:16:18 Care hates adopted children. <laugh> Speaker 2 00:16:22 Not at all. For the record. I love about the children, but, but she never mentions those other two kids. They're not in the room while she's dying and she's just like, oh, Adonis, I love you. Like, I don't know. It's just she has two other children and they're not present and she doesn't even ask about them or talk about them as she's dying. She literally just talks about Adonis and Apollo. Speaker 0 00:16:50 I mean they, they kind of say that like they kind of hint that Adonis didn't get along with them or they didn't like him. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:16:57 But still, I mean if your mother's dying Speaker 0 00:17:01 And like she wouldn't Yeah. Like, you know, you'd think that she'd be like, oh, where are my other kids? Oh, Speaker 2 00:17:07 Why aren't my other kids here? No, it's just, oh you're such a good boyton. It's I love you. You're the best <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:17:15 Yeah. So I mean they could Speaker 2 00:17:16 Have even just, she could, they could have not had any other children. Like, I mean Speaker 0 00:17:20 Well they already did though. That was the thing. Yeah. Like that the kids are established in Rocky so they exist. Okay. I couldn't remember but Speaker 2 00:17:28 Yeah. Okay. So then where are they <laugh>? Well, Speaker 0 00:17:30 And that's the thing too is like you could have even held up the suspension of disbelief if you had not even mentioned the kids. Speaker 2 00:17:36 Right. Don't even mention 'em or just put 'em like standing in the back of the room or something. Like they just literally were not present while their mother was dying. Like, I don't know. Speaker 0 00:17:46 And Rocky wasn't there. Speaker 2 00:17:47 Rocky wasn't there. <laugh>, Speaker 0 00:17:49 Yeah. After they'd made a huge deal, like in the first one about how like he hadn't seen, uh, Adonis's mom since Apollo died. Um, Speaker 2 00:17:59 You know, what I would've liked is if they had like force ghosts Adrian and Apollo standing there and Mickey, not Polly, cuz Polly's a dick. <laugh>, but Speaker 0 00:18:12 Polly doesn't get to be a force ghost. Speaker 2 00:18:14 They're just standing there off to the side. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:18:18 Waiting for waiting Speaker 2 00:18:20 <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah Speaker 0 00:18:22 Know. Um, but yeah, speaking of Rocky, while I love Sylvester Stallone and Rocky, um, I had said after the second one that if they made a third one that they should get away from Rocky and make it its own thing. It's its own thing. It's its Speaker 2 00:18:40 Own thing. And Speaker 0 00:18:42 That's what they did Cuz Rocky or Creed two ended with Rocky leaving and going to visit his son and they kind of made it seem like it was like the end of his, you know, journey time with a, with Adonis is at the end of his journey. But um, you know, and then, uh, later slide did say that he was done. So that was a great move. We Speaker 2 00:19:02 Don't need anymore. We don't, we don't need anymore Sly. Speaker 0 00:19:05 Yeah. It was a great move though because it allowed Michael B. Jordan to I think really take over the franchise, which I feel slight, like, I feel kind of bad for Sly because Sylvester Stillen created Rocky. Like he wrote the first movie, but he sold the rights to it cuz he had like no money. Um, so he does not own the rights to any of like the characters or Speaker 2 00:19:29 Any his literal creation. Speaker 0 00:19:30 Yeah. Like something that he made, he does not own the rights to. Um, so I know like he's got some bad blood with the producers. I don't know that that necessarily goes to Michael B. Jordan, but on the other hand, after watching Michael B. Jordan direct this one, Speaker 2 00:19:46 Let him have it <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:19:47 Let him have it. It's in good hands. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:19:50 <laugh> Speaker 0 00:19:51 <laugh> And they've talked about a Drago spinoff and um, we Speaker 2 00:19:54 Don't need to go crazy. I mean Speaker 0 00:19:56 No, but I mean the idea of keeping it going, Speaker 2 00:20:00 I like Drago's son being in the Creed movies. Yes. Like, just as a side character, he shows up every now and then in the third one. Yep. That's all you need. Like he helps. I Speaker 0 00:20:11 Don't need the pole. He helps Adon his train. Speaker 2 00:20:13 Yeah. Cuz they're bros now. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 0 00:20:16 Which is really cool because Yeah, like, like he's the, the antagonist in the second creed. Um, I mean you can tell he's not really like a, a terrible person. Speaker 2 00:20:27 I mean the main antagonist in the second one is Drago <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:20:31 So, yeah. It is cool to see him come back in the third one. Not as like an to fight him again. No, they were, but, but to help him. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it is really cool. Cause they didn't really show that they were friends in the second one at the end. No, I know there was a deleted scene that kind of got into it, but Speaker 2 00:20:48 No, but they definitely got into the friendship in this one, which I like that just, but I don't need a whole spinoff on his son. Like, just have him show up Speaker 0 00:20:56 <laugh>. Well here's a a, a good spinoff would be like if you did like a prequel of what happened to Ivan Drago after he lost. Speaker 2 00:21:05 Okay. But I feel like that's a one time movie. Speaker 0 00:21:08 Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:21:08 Like, you don't need a series series, you could do that and, but then we're getting into like Star Wars Marvel territory where you're just Speaker 0 00:21:15 Yeah. Where you're just spinning off everyone Speaker 2 00:21:17 And you don't need that. Um, Speaker 0 00:21:18 Another thing I liked, it's focused on American sign language. It is not the first movie to do this. As you mentioned to me. Um, A quiet place probably wasn't even the first one to do it, but it I know that was like one of the first Yeah. Mainstream things is that was like, you know, celebrated for mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, it's focus and respect for deaf people and hard of hearing people and American Sign language. So, uh, as they ki I thought it was obvious in the second one, but apparently they didn't make it clear ACO to some people. Um, that Adonis's daughter with Bianca Tessa Thompson, I'm, Speaker 2 00:21:56 I'm pretty sure that was brought up in the second movie. Uh, Speaker 0 00:21:59 They had talked about how she wasn't Yeah, I thought it was just established that she was deaf. Speaker 2 00:22:04 Right. The baby. Right. Yeah, because I mean, Bianca was like losing her hearing hard of hearing. Yeah. And Speaker 0 00:22:08 It was, but then I watched the video and they're like, oh, why didn't they give a full, I'm like, did some people not catch that or am I like wrong here? Speaker 2 00:22:15 No, no, they definitely, it was definitely like established in the second one. Speaker 0 00:22:19 So in this one, uh, time has passed and she's maybe like eight or nine. Her name's Amara and she is played by a deaf actress. And there's a lot of focus on like, they, they'd done it in the other movies too, but, you know, on the sign language. And Speaker 2 00:22:37 I like how I like when, if if you are going to use someone who's deaf, use someone who's really deaf, and then the cast and crew learn actual sign language, like Yeah. Speaker 0 00:22:48 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:22:48 That's cool. Speaker 0 00:22:49 Um, other things I liked, uh, the story of Leon, the guy that Adonis beat up. Speaker 2 00:22:55 Yes. Speaker 0 00:22:56 I mean, they went there like Speaker 2 00:22:58 Yeah. He, he ran the group home or he was, I think he ran it or he worked there or he, Speaker 0 00:23:05 Yeah, he was like, he part of it Speaker 2 00:23:07 And yeah. They, they went into detail. He Speaker 0 00:23:11 Beat on, uh, the boys Adonis and Dam and probably the others, Speaker 2 00:23:16 I'm assuming all of them. Speaker 0 00:23:18 Yeah. And so when Adonis saw him, like after he had left the group home, he just, you know, lost it. He lost it. Uh, and he beat, I guess. Yeah. And Adonis's mom. Maryanne Arianne remember her <laugh>, he'll remember, I think she said something about like, oh, like I knew, I knew Leon, but she clearly didn't know what happened. Yeah. Um, so for him, it, it really got into like a man, like dealing with his emotions, Speaker 2 00:23:51 Which he doesn't at first Speaker 0 00:23:52 He doesn't, Speaker 2 00:23:53 Which is why that's that's a big focus of the movie too. Yep. Um, you know, he's not telling his wife about his past. Like Damien really triggered him Yep. To, to focus on his past, but he won't tell her what happened. And it's just making him more angry and upset. So he is not handling his emotions well, he never dealt with it as a kid. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> or an adult. And he boxed because, you know, like he could take out his aggression Speaker 0 00:24:24 And he kind of just put it away box. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:24:27 But he's not boxing anymore. And then Damien comes back and it just kind of all gets him more upset and, Speaker 0 00:24:35 And it's like, I just, it's, I will always applaud a movie for like focusing on mental health. Oh yeah. Um, and I've, I've love that. Like it's, you know, cause you know, back in the day if they made a boxing movie and they try it probably, you know, might not have been taken seriously if they tried to deal with it. But, um, no, they, they just treat it so well. Yeah. And at the end, you know, Damien Haddon his fight and the fight is really cool. There's some, uh, there's some, Speaker 2 00:25:07 Some, there's Somatic Liberties taken <laugh>, there Speaker 0 00:25:10 Is. Um, so Speaker 2 00:25:11 Artistic liberties, I should, Speaker 0 00:25:12 They have said, and Michael B. Jordan has said that there are anime influences. Speaker 2 00:25:17 You can tell, um, Speaker 0 00:25:18 You can tell on the fights. Um, they're very stylized, which is, is new for the Rocky movies. It's like, it was cool though. Yeah. Like the original ones were just kind of filmed. Then the Rocky Balboa and the first two creeds, they filmed the fights like you were watching them in a pay-per-view. Yeah. And then this one, which Speaker 2 00:25:37 Was very cool Speaker 0 00:25:37 <laugh>, which was very cool. And then this one was stylized. Yeah. Like, it was very stylized. Like it showed like they were looking at each other in the corners and like, it showed them as kids. And then, you know, during one round the crowd Speaker 2 00:25:51 Was, wasn't there. Speaker 0 00:25:52 Yep. The entire crowd was gone. Um, yeah. Like there was, there was slow-mo, there were closeups there, you know, it was just, it got a little too much when it, like, it was like the, the ring kind of jail cells, giant jail cells. Um, but Speaker 2 00:26:08 Honestly though, on the rewatch of it, it wasn't, it wasn't that bad. Okay. It was, it was brief. Speaker 0 00:26:14 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, I, I get it. Speaker 2 00:26:17 You knew Yeah. There was a point Speaker 0 00:26:19 To it. Yeah. So I thought, I mean, Michael B. Jordan just knocked it out of the park both acting wise and directing. Like if that's how he directs, I'm like, I wanna see what he does next. Speaker 2 00:26:31 Yeah. Gimme some more. Speaker 0 00:26:32 Yeah. More. And he, he really s more what <laugh>, um, and he's good in the first two and there is still that like he doesn't really deal with his emotions in those ones. But again, they're more focused around his legacy, like being the illegitimate son of Apollo Creed and having to fight, you know, the son of the guy who killed him. And this is, this goes more to him as a person Yeah. On his own. And his acting in this one is, is great. Like it's, yeah. It's, it's better than the first two and it was really good than the first two. It's really good. Um, Jonathan Majors, his acting was really good. And honestly, I was talking about this the other day. I'm like, I wonder, I'm like, who's the best rocky villain or antagonist, however you wanna phrase it. Cuz they're like, they're not like villains. Yeah. Uh, except Drago and four <laugh>. But even he gets kind of redeemed. Yeah. Um, and I was like, it might be Damian, like Yeah. With the backstory and the connection to Adonis and the acting like it might be him. And I was really, what about Mr T? I love Mr. T with Clubber Lang. Speaker 2 00:27:40 He's kinda villainy, right? He never, there's not really, Speaker 0 00:27:43 Yeah. He doesn't really get like Mr. T. Yeah. He kind of clubber Lang. I mean Mickey was dying already, but he kind of, Speaker 2 00:27:49 Well yeah, but I mean like through the, through the whole movie and Yeah. There's no real, like, I don't know. Speaker 0 00:27:54 Yeah. He's not really sympathetic at all. Yeah. Um, but I was looking forward to seeing, they kinda left it where like they reconcile at the end, which goes back to the mental health thing where, uh, Adonis apologizes to him for basically forgetting about him. Where like, it's not really his fault, Speaker 2 00:28:14 But because Marianne withheld letters and stuff too Speaker 0 00:28:17 Right. That Damien had sent him from jail and Speaker 2 00:28:20 Dam didnt know and Damian was the reminder of everything that he went through. So he kind of just, you know, pushed him outta his mind to help himself. Speaker 0 00:28:31 Yeah. And uh, Damien you know, tells him like, it wasn't your fault that all this stuff that he had been blaming Adonis for, like Speaker 2 00:28:41 He Speaker 0 00:28:41 Realizes he realizes that it's not his fault. Speaker 2 00:28:44 Right. Speaker 0 00:28:45 Um, so they, they don't really seem like they're friends at the end. Speaker 2 00:28:49 I think there's more a mutual like, okay, we're good. Speaker 0 00:28:53 Yeah. They've reconciled Speaker 2 00:28:54 We're, we may never be friends, but neither of them are mad at each other. They've kinda forgiven each other. And I mean, I could possibly see him coming back for some side character in a future one. Speaker 0 00:29:08 Well I even thought like Speaker 2 00:29:10 A train. Well, I mean maybe not now, cuz Speaker 0 00:29:12 Well that's the thing. They could have, like, I was thinking like, well maybe he'll get his own movie or something. Uh, I Speaker 2 00:29:17 Don't think it No, no solo movies <laugh> like, okay, we don't need to keep spreading these out. But I mean, I could see him like if, you know, his, his current real life future is, uh, you know, Speaker 0 00:29:33 It's probably not gonna happen now Speaker 2 00:29:35 If, if it was possible to happen. Um, and the charges get dropped and the allegations are false. I mean, I could see him working at the gym or maybe, yeah, he's fighting in ufc. I don't know, like, you know, he's off doing his own thing, but you might see him every now and then. Speaker 0 00:29:53 So cons. Hmm. There are some cons to this movie. Speaker 2 00:29:57 <laugh>. No, she was fine. Speaker 0 00:30:02 Who's played by Felicia Rashad. She is, you know, she's good as she always is. This Speaker 2 00:30:07 Just, it just bothered me Speaker 0 00:30:09 <laugh>. Um, so I don't know. I don't, I don't know much about boxing besides the Rocky movies and other boxing movies, but I don't know how I feel about Adonis being retired. He still seems really young. Like it, I don't remember According to Wiki Media, well I, Speaker 2 00:30:24 You know, the municipality of these things. Speaker 0 00:30:26 Yeah. But like, it takes place in the present and in real life. He's only 36 and I'm like, he looks like he's in great shape. Like he could still find, Speaker 2 00:30:33 You should probably just Google like boxing age range. I should, Speaker 0 00:30:38 But I probably won't <laugh>. Um, I'm, Speaker 2 00:30:41 That would, I'm sure 36 is probably after years of being like, yeah it probably is getting broken bones and like dislocating things and like your organs are probably not happy <laugh>. Speaker 0 00:30:54 So other things. So we got it. We didn't mention how Victor got injured. Um, that was kind of cheesy I thought. So it ends up being some guy breaks into a party, they're all at and breaks Victor Drago's hand. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it ends up being one of Damian's like prison associates. So that's how Damian ends up getting the title shot cuz Drago was supposed to have it. And Speaker 2 00:31:18 Well I don't think that was noticeable to everybody. Like I don't think Dennis picked that up when we were watching it. Um, but did you pick that up the first time you watched it? Like, I mean, did you expect that? Speaker 0 00:31:37 I don't know that I picked up that he was like in with Damien, but I was like, oh of course. Like of course. Yeah. But I mean, someone's gonna injure Drago so that this fight can happen. Speaker 2 00:31:48 Yeah. There had to be a way though. I mean, Speaker 0 00:31:50 Yeah, another issue, Adon has kind of got the quote unquote, I have the Tiger back pretty quickly when he was training, like the training montage. Like they're going and he's, he's sparring with Victor and it's not going very well. And then it's like he, he just like stands and thinks about stuff for a while or something and then he's like back in it and we get the epic, rocky montage of like, Speaker 2 00:32:16 Yeah. But I mean maybe they were just like, these people have suffered through too many montages. We'll make it short. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:32:25 Possibly. Um, again, that's, it's not a huge complaint. Like it didn't ruin any Yeah. You know, but it's just a little to, to go with the re-watch ables here. Uh, it's a nitpick. But, um, and then Tessa Thompson was good but underutilized. Definitely underutilized. Which other people have been saying. Yeah. I mean she's, Speaker 2 00:32:43 She played a big role in the other ones. Yeah. And I mean, I know the focus of this one was kind of Damien and Adonis's backstory and not like her being involved in it. Yeah. But really, I mean, the majority of her role was just asking him what was wrong and trying to get him to tell her what was wrong. And I mean, which you know, if that's your husband and this is what he's dealing with, I mean you would be doing that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I don't know the, there's, she was underutilized. Speaker 0 00:33:15 Like she's way better than Talia Shier was. Oh, a Speaker 2 00:33:20 Hundred Speaker 0 00:33:20 Percent. Like don't just make her <laugh> another Adrian. Speaker 2 00:33:24 Yeah. We don't need another Adrian. Cuz that's, they yeah. She kind of did just fit the Adrian mold in this one, which Yeah, she did not for the first two, so, no. Speaker 0 00:33:35 Um, so overall I thought it was a really solid film. I give it four out of five Narwals. Speaker 2 00:33:41 Hmm. That's a lot of narwals. Speaker 0 00:33:43 What would you say? Putting you on the spot here? Speaker 2 00:33:46 Hmm. Uh, yeah, I maybe like three and a half or four Narwals. But if it's a half an narwhal, I don't know which half of the narwhal it is. Yeah. The butt. The butt half the split down the middle. Speaker 0 00:34:02 Yeah. I usually split it down. <laugh>, <laugh> Middle. I, I do have a little, I have like a chart that I use, um, for like, you know, raiding movies and I do have one that's half a colored in Narwhal. Speaker 2 00:34:17 Yeah. I would probably give it three and a half to four. I don't know. Speaker 0 00:34:23 Uh, I thought I did a really good job of of making it about Adonis. Yes. And not Rocky. Yeah. And I'm interested in more sequels mm-hmm. <affirmative> and More Direction by Michael B. Jordan. Speaker 2 00:34:34 And Speaker 0 00:34:35 It was a little fast. Like it, the movie went a little fast, but, uh, you know, Rocky movies aren't typically Speaker 2 00:34:39 Super long. They don't need to be that long. No. Like, I mean, Speaker 0 00:34:42 Get it like a movie needs to, to earn being long. And this could have been like, it, it earned the right to be long, but it didn't need to be. Speaker 2 00:34:50 I thought it was a good length actually, because what more are you gonna put in there? Really? Yeah. Like look at their story. Look at I didn't, I thought the pacing was pretty good. I I didn't think it needed to be any longer. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:35:03 Because Speaker 2 00:35:03 If it was longer I probably would've started to get like, all right. Okay. Like just fight <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:35:09 So that's it. Yeah. Creed three. Um, really Creed. So Three Creed. It is a really good movie. I highly recommend it. I mean, if you haven't seen f So first off, I don't know how you should do this. If you've never seen any of the Rockies, you should probably watch all of those. But if you're not going to watch like the First Two Speaker 2 00:35:33 First two Speaker 0 00:35:34 And then watch the Creed movies, um, yeah. To get some context Speaker 2 00:35:40 On the series, maybe the fourth one. Well no, you should Speaker 0 00:35:42 Have fourth. Yeah, the fourth one. Watch the fourth one. Speaker 2 00:35:44 I was gonna say that's where Apollo dies. Spoiler alert. Spoil, but also Spoiler. The whole second Creed is Speaker 0 00:35:50 About <laugh> about Speaker 2 00:35:51 The fourth movie. So 1, 2, 4. Speaker 0 00:35:55 That's So finally the Creed cast has happened. Speaker 2 00:35:59 Yes. The Emergency Creed cast. Don't ask Lyle or Bri, I don't know if you Speaker 0 00:36:04 Know him. I go by Brian on this, but Speaker 2 00:36:07 Oh well I can't say that. Don't ask him to help you in emergency cuz it'll be three months later. Speaker 0 00:36:16 <laugh>. No. So coming up, uh, on snorkeling with Narwhals, we've got some more, you know, Slippy goodness, me and him will be back talking about whatever. I think video games are one of our upcoming topics. Um, and then hopefully the next movie podcast for Brian goes to the movies. We will be talking about 65, which I saw with Care and our brother Cub. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and me and Cub had some thoughts about it. <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:36:47 They were all, everyone had a different opinion on this. Speaker 0 00:36:51 All different. But, uh, that's all we'll say about that for now. Um, so anyway, I'm Brian, Speaker 2 00:36:58 I'm care. Speaker 0 00:36:59 And this has been snorkeling with Narwhals. Speaker 2 00:37:04 It's been done. The is done.