Who Exactly Is Driving the Train of Thought?

Speaker 1 00:00:11 Hey everyone. I'm Brian Speaker 2 00:00:13 And I'm Slippery. Speaker 1 00:00:14 And this is Snorkeling with Narwals. And you went by Slippery this time. <laugh>. Yeah. Well usually go by Speaker 2 00:00:21 Matt. You know, at some point people have to know one or the other. Right. Speaker 1 00:00:24 They're like, so there's this guy, Brian, and he hosts it, but sometimes it's with Matt and sometimes it's with Slippery. We never know which one's gonna be on the show. Uh, but you should listen. That's, that's me promoting our own show as if I'm someone else. But anyway, it is been a while since we recorded. We'll talk it up to Life and Liberty and the pursuit of happiness and just us doing our stuff. Uh, speaking of all of those governmental terms, uh, what have you been up to today? Slippery, because I have been filing my taxes, Speaker 2 00:00:56 <laugh>. Oh yeah. We did those a little while ago. It's such a pain. Uh, I had a slow morning. I, I was up pretty late last night, um, with Good Friday stuff, so, uh, I just basically had coffee and turned on my mic. <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:01:12 <laugh>. Nice. Um, yeah, I was like, oh, taxes are coming up. And then I think at some point this week I was like, oh, no, taxes are coming up. And then luckily it's not how it used to be where it was always, uh, April 15th, and I'm guessing it's cuz of Good Friday. Um, cuz some places consider that a holiday Speaker 2 00:01:31 Banks do, I think, right? Speaker 1 00:01:33 No, I don't think so. Speaker 2 00:01:34 Oh, is it? It's not one of those. Okay. Speaker 1 00:01:36 It's not, but it's one of those that, because of Easter, a lot of places I think will count it. So I'm guessing the government was just like, yeah, let's, you know, let's leave it. But, um, Speaker 2 00:01:46 Yeah, that's fine. I was wondering why it was such a soft date. I'm like, I thought it was like a hard and fast. Speaker 1 00:01:51 Yeah. It always used to be like, file your taxes by the 15th, 30 April 15th, where you die. Um, Speaker 2 00:01:56 And it's so, it's so silly by the way, like, the process, maybe we, we dive into this a little bit. Speaker 1 00:02:01 Let's do Speaker 2 00:02:02 It. So, I, I just feel like, you know, you just did all this work basically to figure out the numbers and then you're gonna submit it to the IRS and then they're gonna tell you if you were right or wrong. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:02:14 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:02:15 It's like, guess and check. You know, here you go. Maybe I forgot some paperwork. I get it in the mail later cuz you know, something, somebody was slow and then I'm like, oh shoot, am I gonna be, you know, hauled away for tax evasion? Right. Speaker 1 00:02:29 And Speaker 2 00:02:29 I'm like, it's, it's like just I'm, I'm sort of, of the mind if you know what you want from me anyway. Just like bill me Speaker 1 00:02:37 <laugh>. Yeah, I've heard that before too, where it's like, don't they know how much you make? Yeah. And what you owe. Like, and I could be completely wrong here cuz I'm not a tax expert. No. But like, I'm doing it today and you look at all the available credits and deductions, I'm like, I don't know what half of these things mean and I'm scared that I'm going to miss something <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:02:58 Well, and then, then, you know, we overcomplicate things on the other side, like how much you withhold, how much you don't, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And it ends up being like, okay, this year I owe a ton of money, or this year I get like a huge return. For me personally, the target is always like, get it close-ish to zero. Okay. But like, you know, there's so many factors that go into that. Like, you can't really control that cuz that would mean you have, you have other, other things controlled in your life. But, uh, yeah. It's just so, so irritating. And I guess it probably stems from like, we, we want at least, uh, some semblance of, you know, the government's not just like pulling the wool over your eyes and like, oh, you owe this much this year. Speaker 1 00:03:41 You're like, well, I'm gonna figure out how much I owe. Speaker 2 00:03:43 Exactly. Yeah. But we, instead we have like, we have this idea that we figure it out when in reality they just, they just tell you Speaker 1 00:03:52 <laugh> <laugh>. Um, so after we're done here, I have one last part of it to finish. So then I'll be officially taxed out for the year until April 15th, 2023. And when I remember I have to do my taxes, um, <laugh>, but that was not what we planned on talking about at the beginning of this episode. Speaker 2 00:04:17 No, I, I was triggered. I can't help it. <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:04:22 But no, uh, actually we were gonna talk a little about pop, uh, soda for those who are wrong mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but, uh, cuz I've been trying a couple recent, I love pop like way too much, way more than the average person probably should mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And in the past couple days, I've tried a couple new things. So I tried Nitro Pepsi or Pepsi Nitro, whatever they want to call it. Um, it is, the one I had was like called Vanilla draft soda. Speaker 2 00:04:53 Oh, okay. I I really want to try the whole lineup it. Yeah. It's Speaker 1 00:04:57 Like, well, there's two. Speaker 2 00:04:57 There's two. Okay. Well I went on their website and it is like, cuz I was curious after watching the, the ad, it's like, oh, it's a nitro pop. All right. I like some, some beers that are like, you know, pressurized with nitrogen. Speaker 1 00:05:12 Yeah. And for those who don't Speaker 2 00:05:13 Make it Speaker 1 00:05:13 Smoother. Yeah. For those who don't know, the idea is supposedly according to Wikipedia and the internet, uh, that Yeah, it's, they use nitrogen. So like when you crack the can, it releases nitrogen. It it's more foamy. It's creamier. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, it's not as carbonated. Um, so I tried the vanilla one today and I was mildly impressed. Speaker 2 00:05:40 Okay. Yeah. I was worried it would be like flat Pepsi. Speaker 1 00:05:43 It's kind of flat. Speaker 2 00:05:45 Okay. Speaker 1 00:05:46 <laugh>. That's the problem. It, it remind my mom suggested a root beer float, which is probably a good idea how like, when you have a root beer float when it mixes with the ice cream, like it kind of loses the carbonation. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, so it was fine. You, you have to pour it straight down into the glass. That's what they want you to do. Speaker 2 00:06:05 Right. Uh, and whenever I read that, I was like, this is a sign that there's like, people are not gonna get like the carbonation the foams that they really want out of it. Right. Unless they're basically doing a bad pour. Like you're shocking the, the beverage into producing foam. Speaker 1 00:06:24 Right. Because if you normally pour a can of pop into a glass, I always tilt the glass. So you're not getting so much foam, you're getting straight pop. Which I think is similar to what they do with beer. I don't drink beer. I think it's gross. Speaker 2 00:06:40 Come on John. That's college 1 0 1. Speaker 1 00:06:43 I drink rum if I drink anything. But, um, yeah, so it was kind of flat, not like undrinkable. So, um, it was creamy. Definitely more creamy. Like smoother. So it was good. And I have another one. I have like a regular, I don't know, like the regular Pepsi version in the fridge that I'm gonna try later. So we'll see how that goes. Speaker 2 00:07:10 They, they have like these mixed drink ideas as well that you can like combine this new Nitro Pepsi with these other, like, other ingredients and make a new concoction basically. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I'm very curious to do that. Like, if I get it and I don't like the taste as it is out of the can, then, you know, I will, I'm not gonna waste it cuz I think it's fairly expensive for pop. But, you know, I'll try those other things. But yeah, I'm, I'm curious. I I'm, I gotta get around to, to the store and, and get that. Speaker 1 00:07:43 Yeah. Um, so that was the first thing I tried. The second one is infinitely more interesting. And I had seen it on the internet. It went viral, but it actually, I didn't realize they were releasing it like in stores everywhere. Uh, flaming Hot Mountain Dew. Now for those who really know me, they know that my pop of choice is Mountain Dew. Pretty much any flavor. Although some are lesser than others. Some of the, the better ones are voltage blue raspberry, major Melon. It's watermelon, Baja Blast. It's some tropical thing. Uh, those are three, Speaker 2 00:08:24 The Taco Bell Speaker 1 00:08:25 Original, the Taco Bell original one that you can only get at Kroger's, which we don't have. And I'm sad because it used to be that you could ship it, you could get it shipped from Kroger. Uh, it's called Thrashed Apple. And it's like a sour green apple. And it's delicious. It is so good when it's ice cold. That's not what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about Flaming Hot Mountain Dew. Um, I was talking to someone and they said that, you know, it tasted, they were like, they they mentioned cinnamon. I was like, well, that would make sense. You know, cinnamon Mountain Dew. It's a weird combo, but Cinnamon would make sense as a flavor. They've done cinnamon Pepsi, it's not cinnamon. I don't know what it is, but it's spicy. Like it is actually Spicy Mountain Dew and Speaker 2 00:09:13 Interesting. Like, like a, like a pepper spice or, Speaker 1 00:09:16 Yeah. I don't know. I don't even know. Uh, our friend Evan asked me that too. He is like, is it like a red pepper? Like chipotle pepper? I'm like, I don't know, probably like a red pepper. I mean, there's definitely a bite to it. And, uh, the first sippy take of it, it reminds me of doing a shot of rum, like spiced rum where you're like, wow, that was strong. And then the more you drink it, like, it, it almost depends on how you drink it. If you take just like a small sip it, you get like, you get a certain amount. If you take like a good sip of the pop, you get more of a natural. Like, okay, this tastes like Mountain Dew that's spicy and it'll like kind of linger in your throat. So it's good. I would say that it is a good pop, um, com Speaker 2 00:10:06 Complex though. Speaker 1 00:10:07 It's complex. And I mentioned to Evan that I was like, it again, it depends on the sip. Like it, not every taste tastes the same, which is weird because for things that are like processed heavily, like Mountain Dew would be, you expect every taste to be the same. Um, but it almost reminded me like they, like, they dumped some pepper, like some Tabasco in there, but didn't mix it. So some sips you get more than you do on the others. Um, so I was impressed. I don't know how much of it I'm gonna want to drink. Although I did buy two 12 packs. Speaker 2 00:10:42 Oh my gosh Speaker 1 00:10:43 Minute. Well, you know, if, if I'm gonna, if I'm going to try it, I gotta, you know, I gotta try it. Um, Speaker 2 00:10:50 You should, you should start talking about pop, like, like people do about wine. Speaker 1 00:10:55 Oh, I've discussed having a wine cellar of Mountain Dew <laugh>. It would be phenomenal. And, uh, today Speaker 2 00:11:01 We like this. This one is flamboyant. This is a, a fruity, fruity forward, uh, Pepsi <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:11:08 Hold, hold the, the glass under your nose for five seconds. Take a small sip. Today we've got a nice 2005 supernova, which I wish they still made. Actually. I don't wish they still made it. Well actually I do. It was strawberry melon. That was good. We don't really have any Strawberry Mountain Dews. We have watermelon, but we don't have strawberry melon, which, you know, is a nice flavor. That's always a good flavor. Um, but yeah, a wine cellar of Mountain Dew would be awesome, as would my restaurant Fountain Dew. Where the only drinks you can get are different flavors of Mountain Dew. Speaker 2 00:11:45 Ooh, Speaker 1 00:11:46 Interesting. I even know where I wanna have it. Um, so this is not gonna make sense if someone is not familiar with Erie Pen Erie, Pennsylvania. Um, do you remember the Sea Wolves Park? Speaker 2 00:12:01 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:12:02 And how like kitty corner from that, there's a parking garage and there's a restaurant attached to that parking garage. Speaker 2 00:12:09 Okay. Yep. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:12:10 That's where I want to have it because the shape of that building is so cool. It's like almost rounded. So that's where Fountain Dew would be. We'd probably serve pub food. Speaker 2 00:12:20 Yeah, yeah, of course. Speaker 1 00:12:22 Cuz what Speaker 2 00:12:23 Else would you say? I mean, you gotta have something to go with it. You know, you can't just be like, Hey everyone, come in here to your, I guess a soda shop if you will. Uh, or a Speaker 1 00:12:31 Shop. Yeah. Ooh. Uh, you gave me an idea. It could be like half pub, half like candy store. Speaker 2 00:12:37 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, Speaker 1 00:12:38 Uh, were you with us in Baltimore when we went to a candy store? Speaker 2 00:12:44 I think so. Uh, that trip was a little bit of a blur for me. We went into a lot of different places very quickly. I felt like. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:12:51 We really did. Uh, we went to Baltimore in 2012. This was like Christmas or right after Christmas of 2012 for a crew retreat. Campus Crusade for Christ. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I don't know how they got me cuz I wasn't actually part of Crew. Um, I think our friend Christine kind of just kept asking me until I said Yes. Speaker 2 00:13:11 Sounds about right. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:13:13 Yeah, it does. That's kind of how I became friends with her too. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. She, she's just, that's, she's a super bubbly person. We'll have her on sometime. She's Speaker 2 00:13:21 Great. Speaker 1 00:13:21 Yeah, she's great. Um, but yeah, we went to Baltimore and we did, we did a lot of things. So, you know, in, there were always morning sessions and like evening services and stuff. So we were busy then. But then they tried to do breakout stuff during the afternoon. But we did kind of try to explore Baltimore like really fast. And I don't think our groups were together the like, at the same time all the time. But I do think there must have been some overlap. Cuz you, you had like the Pittsburgh contingency. I had like the eerie contingency. Speaker 2 00:13:54 Yeah. I mean obviously we went to the same school, but even still, it was like, you know, we groups drove together, I think to get Speaker 1 00:14:01 Right. Cause we were coming from break, Speaker 2 00:14:02 Right? Yes, exactly. Right. Over, uh, over like, what would you call that? I guess Christmas break. Yeah. Into New Year's. Yeah. Yeah. And really, we were just in the inner harbor area of Baltimore. I Speaker 1 00:14:13 Love it though. The inner harbor of Baltimore is wonderful. Speaker 2 00:14:17 I'd never been before that trip. And I was pleasantly surprised. Cuz frankly, you know, being in Pittsburgh, you don't hear the best things about Baltimore. Speaker 1 00:14:25 Well, you guys got a rivalry, at least in football, Speaker 2 00:14:28 Right? So it starts there and then from there you're just like, oh, that city stinks. You know, <laugh> right Speaker 1 00:14:33 Here. He doesn't have that with anywhere. No. We're usually the city that, like, we, we, they're like, oh, Erie, so you're from Pittsburgh. I'm like, we're not really that close. Speaker 2 00:14:45 Not even a little bit. Yeah. <laugh> two and a half Speaker 1 00:14:48 Hours. Yeah. Like, we're equally distant between Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh. I don't relate to any of those cities. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I'm a Rams fan. Like, stop asking me who I root for. <laugh> <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:15:02 Everyone knows Speaker 1 00:15:03 <laugh>. Everyone knows. Um, but no, so that I, I don't even know where we were going. The the candy shop. We went to a candy shop in a mall, which candy shops are always awesome. I love candy stores. Like in any mall, you know where you go in and there's like old school candy or like giant candy, like giant smarties. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, can you get peas? Speaker 2 00:15:25 It isn't even really about the candy itself. Like it's, it's a little bit about the experience. There's some nostalgia wrapped up in some of those. Like PEs obviously is gonna gonna bring that out. But then also like, the appearance of the place. Like, there's nothing like a candy store, Speaker 1 00:15:41 Right? Speaker 2 00:15:42 They're, when you go in, they're so colorful. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, you wa you can get like bags of candy. You can get the individually wrapped ones. Like it's just this, you know. And everybody who's in there is happy to be there. It's not like going into, let's say, you know, Walmart or, or your favorite store. You know, you go in and people are like, oh, I gotta get groceries. You know, I gotta get this done. This is an errand. Like if you're in a candy store, it's not an errand Speaker 1 00:16:07 <laugh>. It's literally like the, the kid in the candy shop. Speaker 2 00:16:10 Yeah. It was your destination. Speaker 1 00:16:12 It was. So where were we going with the candy shop? We, there were, were like multiple layers in this conversation. It went to like Baltimore upper layer candy shop. Speaker 2 00:16:23 Well, you Speaker 1 00:16:23 Upper layer. Oh, the, the pop. The Speaker 2 00:16:25 Pop. The pop. So you were soliciting for investor money for your new business idea? Speaker 1 00:16:29 Yes. Yes. I, I want to run a restaurant because I am in such a, uh, a position in my life where I can run a restaurant. Um, probably better than my own life. But <laugh>, no. Wouldn't that be cool though? Have like a restaurant where like half the store there's like a candy shop and then the rest of it is like a pub where you can get like pretzels with beer, cheese and like pretzel burgers. Um, my sister once had the idea of like, thing what she things on pretzels, I think is what she called it. Hmm. Speaker 2 00:17:03 Um, yeah, you can put anything on Speaker 1 00:17:05 A pretzel. You can put anything on a pretzel and it's better. So, you know, things with nacho cheese, you could get nacho, you know, I'm, I'm thinking like cool pub. Speaker 2 00:17:15 But then well that, that location too. You know, you get a lot of, you'd have great visibility. I would think you'd get a lot of traffic. Yeah, that'd be, that would be awesome. Speaker 1 00:17:24 And I don't know if they have a basement, but then on you could have the wine cell of Mountain Dew, which would be really hard to stock. Speaker 2 00:17:29 I don't think I, you know, the, the whole like keeping pop and maybe, I don't know. But I, I swear nobody pulls out Pop and is like, this is a good vintage. Like this, this one <laugh> going back to like, it's a 20 year old pop. It's like, it's just flat and, and maybe a little thick Speaker 1 00:17:48 <laugh>. So here's what, what I've heard, because pop pop will last past its expiration date. Oh yeah. Uh, if you see like an expired bottle of pop, you're probably okay to drink it, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Especially if you open it and you get a good fizz off of it. But, um, my sister's boyfriend, I think heard or his dad had like a, a commemorative can for like, some, you know, some event that was happening. You know, people keep cans of, in Pepsi when they release things with logos on 'em or something. I think it might have been a Star Wars one. I could also be making that up. Um, and it was like, it was half empty while still being closed cuz it just evaporated. Speaker 2 00:18:28 Oh, it evaporated through the top. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:18:30 Yeah. So it pop may not keep, so the, the wine cellar idea might not actually work, but man, it'd be so cool. Like, or like, get a deal with Pepsi. So now we're thinking big. Speaker 2 00:18:41 Oh yeah. Speaker 1 00:18:42 Get a deal with Pepsi to create syrup. So we can have like fountains of this. Like, also Speaker 2 00:18:49 You would lose, you would definitely lose creative control if if Speaker 1 00:18:53 You did that. We would, Pepsi would take over, they'd take over everything. Yeah. They'd be like, you have to have Lay's products. You have to have our ocean spray, our cranberry juice. Speaker 2 00:19:03 <laugh> our juices. Like, Speaker 1 00:19:04 Like we don't even serve juice here. It's like Speaker 2 00:19:07 Here you can have, you can have this like orange juice and it's, it's alongside like pub chips. Speaker 1 00:19:13 <laugh>, right? Yeah. That, that wouldn't go Speaker 2 00:19:15 Great. Doesn't mix well. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:19:16 That was one of the things, uh, when we went to Barron, everything was Pepsi. Everything was Pepsi. Speaker 2 00:19:22 Yeah. Penn State must have had a Speaker 1 00:19:24 Deal. They, they do. All the drinks are Pepsi and all the chips are leis. Like, you're not, you know, anything that I think that can be Pepsi is Pepsi. Uh, which is fine cuz I prefer Pepsi products anyway. But you know, it, I would've liked to be able to walk around campus and grab a Coke. You know? It Speaker 2 00:19:42 Is nice to have the variety. I, I, uh, I also side with you on the Pepsi front. You know, generally I'd like Pepsi a little bit better. And I think like the, the category of products that they bring is a better selection. Agree. But like the mainline Coke, Speaker 1 00:19:57 Coke is better than Pepsi. Speaker 2 00:19:59 It is at this point, like in my life, I'm, I tend to like a little bit less sweetness. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, and Coke provides that. And it, if you, if you haven't had Coke in like four years of your life, <laugh>, all of a sudden it is going to be the thing that you prefer. Yeah. So, and I think that's why I made the, the flop. Cuz originally I really, really preferred Pepsi. But Speaker 1 00:20:22 Yeah, I think I kind of, I don't know. I, if I went with Pepsi, it was to be a contrarian. Cuz my dad's a Coke guy. But, um, Coke is definitely better than Pepsi. But Pepsi's got the better product line. Like what? I'm not drinking mellow yellow. What the heck. Oh, also there's Sprite, which is like the most useless pop in the world. Speaker 2 00:20:42 It really is Speaker 1 00:20:42 Pepsi's. Like, we're gonna make Sierra Mist, which is also the most useless pop in the world because it, it tastes exactly the same as Sprite. Unless you're mixing Sprite with something, it's not worth drinking. Speaker 2 00:20:52 Sorry. Mis used to Speaker 1 00:20:53 Have not Sorry. Speaker 2 00:20:54 Awesome commercials though. In the nineties. I remember them advertising like crazy. It was Speaker 1 00:20:59 Like, were they even around in the nineties? Speaker 2 00:21:01 I don't know. Maybe it was, it, I I Speaker 1 00:21:03 Mean I'm sure Pepsi born in some, Speaker 2 00:21:05 In like 1992. It's like, you, you sort of mix the late nineties and early two thousands a little bit. So I get fuzzy and I like to lean into like being a nineties kid. It's like, you know, I'm a nineties kid. I, I was born in the nineties, but I don't really remember them. Speaker 1 00:21:21 <laugh> you're preaching to the choir man. I, I have gone full in on the nineties, uh, nineties. Nickelodeon, my love of Power Rangers, you know, Jurassic Park. Speaker 2 00:21:33 Oh yeah, Speaker 1 00:21:34 It really was. Speaker 2 00:21:34 Yeah. Power Rangers. Definitely. That was their moment. Speaker 1 00:21:37 The boy bands really only the Backstreet Boys. There's a correct answer, uh, on who's the best. But that was kind of the later nineties. But, so I do remember a lot from the nineties, but yeah, you, you are right that it does kind of mix with the two thou. The early two thousands. My favorite meme, um, and this applies to my cousin cause I have a cousin who was born like in 1999, where it's from Star Wars, where they're like, we grant you a seat at the, the Council of nineties kids, but would Speaker 2 00:22:11 Not Speaker 1 00:22:11 Are not a master. Speaker 2 00:22:13 <laugh>. <laugh>. That's exactly right. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:22:17 I was like, I feel like, cause I was born in 93, I was like, I feel like that's early enough. Like I can claim the decade as mine. Speaker 2 00:22:24 Yeah. Um, yeah, I think so. I do. Speaker 1 00:22:27 We also had Pokemon, you know. Speaker 2 00:22:29 Oh my gosh. Yeah. And then all of the other, you know, card based games that, you know, came out as a result of Pokemon's success. It's like, yeah, none of you are nearly on this level. Speaker 1 00:22:40 I think Digi started like in 2000, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, I mean the whole Pokemon craze was like near the end of the decade. But man, the nineties, uh, while we're on it, the Best Nick Show. Hey Arnold. Speaker 2 00:22:57 Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was never a big Hey Arnold fan. I, I think I didn't have like, the mental capacity for it. Maybe. I Speaker 1 00:23:06 Don't know. Well, it was deeper. It wasn't just like, you know, it wasn't just like a goofy cartoon. Right. Like, they actually talked about stuff and Arnold like was trying to help people and do things for people. So, you know, there were other shows. Speaker 2 00:23:21 They were old school. Yeah. I'm a little old school about cartoons. Like, I, I actually, I really loved, uh, any of like the, the old Cartoon Network, like Bugs Bunny, you know, any of those like, older shows that you could only watch on certain hours, like Tom and Jerry and stuff. It's Speaker 1 00:23:36 Like the stuff that actually predated Cartoon Network. Speaker 2 00:23:39 I, cartoon Cartoon, yeah. They just, they just played it like as reruns like TV Land or something. And, uh, yeah, I, it's, it's sort of weird cuz I was, I did not fit in with my generation on that, uh, on that score. Cuz I just, you know, I thought these old things were, were awesome and they were, but they're pretty much all the same like, type of joke and, and sort of humor, uh, yeah. Focused cartoon. Speaker 1 00:24:06 And, you know, I, I guess it is really your preference and everyone thinks, like, I've heard this somewhere, that everyone thinks their generation of stuff is coolest, which is usually true. Um, like, you know, my parents love the, the Bugs Bunny and Loony Tunes stuff. I'm like, they're cool, they're fine. My biggest recollection is Space Jam. Of course. Right. Because as we've discussed, I'm obsessed with the nineties. Speaker 2 00:24:36 You can't, you cannot overstate how significant Space Jam was at the time that it came out. It Speaker 1 00:24:41 Was massive. Like, Speaker 2 00:24:43 Well, nothing really is comparable to it from beforehand. At least not like from a cultural standpoint. I mean, it's just Yeah. Totally unique and landed at just the right time to just, you know, it, the posters were everywhere. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I just remember it being like this huge thing, like as big as we were just talking about Star Wars as big as like the Phantom Menace, when that came out, it was like, oh my gosh. They have just, George Lucas has just like gotten the next generation hooked again. You know? And, and we were all, it was huge. And then of course we watched it and it's like, not so sure about this Jar Jar guy, but <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:25:25 I I will always say that Jar Jar is not nearly as offensive to me as Young Anakin. Speaker 2 00:25:31 See, I think, I think that it makes sense to, to have him be, you know, a little stupid and like, and like he's, he's a kid, you know? So like we can, I can tolerate a little bit more of like the, the bad acting maybe and like the, the silly lines and whatnot. But like, just throwing a, a character in there. Jar Jar Banks, who's just basically at that stage in the series, they weren't even grooming him to be the guy who like presents Emergency Powers to the Chancellor, which ultimately is the only reason he's in there. Speaker 1 00:26:05 Yeah. I think once they realized that everyone hated Jar, they're like, well, we're gonna make you hate him even more. Cuz he's gonna ruin <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:26:13 We're gonna double, Speaker 1 00:26:13 He's gonna ruin these characters lives. Yeah. Um, but I think the issue I have with Little Anakin, and I was not nearly this harsh. I actually really liked the Phantom Menace, but again, I was like six years old when it came out. So, you know, it was more made for me. Like, I was just reading an interview with you and McGregor, uh, who played Obk, where he is. Like, he, he hears all these people now like our age, like millennials and stuff, where they love the prequels because the prequels were made for them. Whereas, you know, people in the seventies and eighties, like those Star Wars were made for them. That's why they have such an attachment to them. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I don't have, I mean, the Phantom is not great. It, like that the whole pre trilogy is not great. Um, attack of the Clones is probably the worst actually. Speaker 2 00:27:03 I think. I think it is. I do think Phantom Menace for, for what it was given, there wasn't, I mean, yeah, there were three Star Wars movies before, but, you know, the gap in time, there wasn't really a benchmark for like, what to do with a movie like that. Um, I I actually don't, I don't dislike the prequels at all. I love, I love the revenge of the sy. Like, it's, it may be my favorite. Speaker 1 00:27:27 Well, you know what, the first one had that like, single-handedly dragged the movie to like, respectability was Liam Neon back, back when Liam Neon actually acted and like wasn't just, you know, in Taken who I think Bill Simmons brought that up once, but, uh, like Liam Neon could act and he is so good in the Phantom Mees <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:27:53 He, he is, yeah. I, and he's honestly, he may be better as a result of like his demise. Like he, you know, sometimes the character the the best thing. Yeah. Sometimes the best thing for a performance is to kill it off. Yeah. And like, I spoil felt Speaker 1 00:28:08 That way. Spoil. I mean, it's been 23 years, Speaker 2 00:28:10 But yeah. We, we spoil everything here. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, like Darth Mall for instance, you know, obviously somewhere in Canon and in Legends, I guess he's still alive. Whatever. Uh, Speaker 1 00:28:20 Can I jump in? Speaker 2 00:28:21 Yeah, go ahead. Speaker 1 00:28:22 He is. So I was, uh, I op I knew that he was alive in like the Clone Wars shows or whatever, but I didn't accept that cause I didn't watch them. Right. Um, so in my, my head to Cannon, he was dead until, yeah, Speaker 2 00:28:38 Same until Speaker 1 00:28:38 Solo. They brought him back in solo for a little cameo. Then you had to accept that he was alive in the movies still. And you're like, well dang. Speaker 2 00:28:46 It's just, it's just so irritating. Like, because they started it with that and it's like when you go down the big pit, when you get thrown down there, especially with your body in half, you're, you're done. Yeah. Like that should be it. You know, the emperor, you know, they did that whole thing and it's like, come on. You know, we, we can't be, we can't just like keep bringing the old thing back cuz we don't have original thoughts. <laugh>, Speaker 1 00:29:10 You know, are you talking about JJ Abrams? Speaker 2 00:29:13 Nah, I don't know. I'm not gonna name names. Speaker 1 00:29:15 It's definitely JJ Abrams. Um, so are we gonna anger like half of the people who listened by talking about the sequel trilogy? Speaker 2 00:29:24 Are there people who disagree with that position? Well, I haven't heard them. Maybe I can't hear them. Speaker 1 00:29:30 So, first off, the issue with this trilogy is that they did not have a cohesive plan for the trilogy. They basically let three different people make their own movies. Except the third, third one they gave it back to JJ Abrams. So tried Speaker 2 00:29:44 To, it is shocking really when you think about Speaker 1 00:29:47 Disney that they didn't have a plan. Speaker 2 00:29:48 Yeah. Like how is it possible that the biggest, you know, group of people in media could not have come up with like, like there wasn't a rush. Nobody was like, Hey, you need to get the first one done by X, y, and Z date. I mean, sure. Maybe like people in the back office said that, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it doesn't count. You know, you buy the franchise like we want it to be, you know, we have expectations. <laugh> don't just shell me with movies, <laugh>, I have no, you know, no semblance of, of decent plot and Speaker 1 00:30:21 Break the rules. And that's the thing The Last Jedi I really liked cuz it, you know, actually subverted and annoyed most of the fans. I thought it was the funniest thing ever that they did that. Um, but it was also story-wise, it was cool. The basic moral of the movie is that it, it doesn't matter who you are as a character. Like you can be special. Like, and then the rise of Skywalker's. Like Yeah. Right. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:30:51 Guess what? You need to be force sensitive. Speaker 1 00:30:53 You need Yeah. Like, you need to be special or else you're not important. So, uh, that, that bugged me. I actually think the rise of Skywalker is good as a standalone movie, but when you think about it connected to the others, it does get annoying. Um, Speaker 2 00:31:10 To think about. Yeah. I didn't, I don't think that I hated it, uh, as much as other people did when they first saw it. I think the Last Jedi was extremely irritating to watch the first time through for me. Um, but like the throne room scene, you know what we were talking about? Speaker 1 00:31:26 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:31:26 Things that can pull a movie up. I mean that Speaker 1 00:31:29 Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that throne room scene is Speaker 2 00:31:31 That battle, that battle scene is pretty excellent. And, you know, it does, like, it stands out in your mind. You remember it and then you're like, I don't remember much else about that movie that I enjoyed. Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 00:31:42 <affirmative>. The other awesome part is, uh, when Laura de flies the ship through the ship Speaker 2 00:31:49 And it Speaker 1 00:31:49 Goes completely silent. Speaker 2 00:31:51 I don't know that there was precedent for that. Speaker 1 00:31:53 It was freaking Speaker 2 00:31:54 Star Wars. It was pretty cool. I I didn't have any issues with that. I thought like, you know, that, that makes sense. You can just zip right through. This is gonna be like the ultimate thing. Speaker 1 00:32:04 Yeah. I mean, it does make sense if you think about it, but, well, or the opposite could have happened where like, you, you fly your ship full force into another ship and it just crashes <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:32:16 They're, they're like, take evasive maneuvers, you know, put the shields up. Like what were the shields gonna do? Somebody's going light speed at you. I don't, you know, that's like where the, the tech starts to, to blur. Yeah. Um, but you know, we don't, we don't need to know. Speaker 1 00:32:30 We don't talk about Bruno No. <laugh>. No, no, no. Speaker 2 00:32:33 But actually, so since the last time we recorded, I re-watched, uh, a movie that you claim had a scene in it that makes it stand out above the other three movies, or two movies in, in the trilogy. Ooh. I Speaker 1 00:32:47 I don't even remember. Speaker 2 00:32:48 Okay, so to quote you, you said Helms steep alone, Speaker 1 00:32:54 <laugh> Speaker 2 00:32:55 Makes the two towers the best movie of the Lord of the Ring series. Speaker 1 00:32:59 Yes. Speaker 2 00:33:00 Which, which I disagreed with. Did we Speaker 1 00:33:02 Say that on the pod or did I text you that? Speaker 2 00:33:05 Uh, I think, I think it may be in the pod. If it's not in the pod folks. We do text Speaker 1 00:33:11 <laugh>. Yeah. And also like Speaker 2 00:33:12 We do communicate, Speaker 1 00:33:13 My memory is like crap, you know, Speaker 2 00:33:15 <laugh>. Yeah. So, you know, you, you have this opinion about Helms Deep and I, so what I decided to do was I was, you know, I just put the Lord of the Rings on anyway. Uh, and I, I decided I would watch it. So I watched the two towers and, um, I stand by my original position. I think that, you know, it is not, I don't think Helms Deep makes up for what the other two movies had. I actually think it's, it's the lesser of the three, I think Fellowship packs a lot in I Am, it's growing on Me, but the Return of the King just does it for me. Like, and it is the one with all the awards. Speaker 1 00:33:52 It it is, but that it could also be like, you know, they always say that it, that was like the good job Peter Jackson. This is, you know Right. This is your third major of these movies. Now we're gonna give it to you. Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, each of them probably could have won Best Picture if you wanted to do that, but they never would. Speaker 2 00:34:12 Well, and I think that they, yeah. I mean he, he maybe could have got more awards if it wasn't three years back to Back. Yeah. Right. Like, there, there could have been. But at the same time, I, so what I decided to do, and I know the awards don't really mean that much. I looked up all of the awards that they were nominated for across the three movies mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And what's interesting about it is the Academy ends up giving them, even if, you know, even if they didn't win the award in the category, they were nominated in, let's say for the fellowship. They get nominated for it again in the Return of the King and then they win it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So it's like, you know, even if you missed it at the start or in the middle, you still end up getting the award long haul. So like across the three movies, I think they only missed, I think it was two awards that they were nominated for. I don't remember the other, but the, uh, the main snub is actually best supporting actor. Speaker 1 00:35:09 Ian Mckalen was up for it. Right. In uh, yeah, exactly. Fellowship. Speaker 2 00:35:12 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:35:13 And that's the only acting nomination. It Speaker 2 00:35:16 Is. It is. It's shocking Now. Ridiculous now for that time period. It, it does make sense. I mean, there were some really phenomenal movies coming out at that time. Um, you know, I don't wanna, I don't want to like dis all of those. Uh, cuz you may as well give acting to movies that like, you know, have maybe like that's their core function is to showcase this actor's performance. But whereas the Lord of the Rings is not trying to make any one person stand out, Speaker 1 00:35:44 You know, which is honestly, I think why it's more impressive because everyone in the Lord of the Rings is giving their a game. Even like actors who aren't a-list actors. And it's really not an A-list cast. Speaker 2 00:35:58 No. Who was the most famous person? I would would say probably, um, Saman, Speaker 1 00:36:03 Uh, Christopher Lee. Speaker 2 00:36:04 Christopher Lee. Yeah. Thank you. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:36:06 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:07 I forgot his Speaker 1 00:36:07 Name. Um, Saman, you know, Saman Lee, the, Speaker 2 00:36:10 The, the guy who got, uh, you know, dumped in, in two Awesome. Mainline Trilogies. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:36:17 Yeah. They really just, he, his, Speaker 2 00:36:20 There's a meme, a meme about that, but Speaker 1 00:36:23 Yeah. You know, camp Duku was in it for like two seconds. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Saron wasn't even in it unless you watched the extended extended a k a reel version of the movie. Speaker 2 00:36:33 Exactly. Yeah. A little more by the book. Speaker 1 00:36:35 But even then he's basically in it for like two minutes. Speaker 2 00:36:39 Well, and then they also, they kill him off, uh, in like, not the correct way. Even the extended, like it doesn't, it's not really accurate. Speaker 1 00:36:47 Yeah. For to the book you mean? Yeah. Speaker 2 00:36:49 Yeah. Speaker 1 00:36:50 Um, and Ian Mckalen was probably pretty big cuz of, I mean, X-Men had just come out, so I think people were starting to like, Hey, that's Magni. Speaker 2 00:36:59 Yeah. I think there's that. And then, uh, actually I'm just now remembering Elron, uh, Speaker 1 00:37:04 Hugo Weaving. Yeah. Hugo Speaker 2 00:37:06 Weaving. There's a lot of, so I don't know the timeframe with Matrix, but I assume Matrix at least 99. The first one would've been before. Speaker 1 00:37:13 Yep. Yep. Speaker 2 00:37:15 So he would've been kind of a big deal. Speaker 1 00:37:17 Sorry, I keep stepping over you. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, to go to the re watchable, the, the, that guy, the Lord of the Rings is kind of full of that guys. Speaker 2 00:37:27 Mm-hmm. Speaker 1 00:37:27 <affirmative>, where you're like, Hey Elijah Wood. Like he was a child actor, <laugh>, and like, Hey, Sean Aston was in The Goonies. Or you know, um, Vigo Mortenson had been in stuff. Liv Tyler was just in Armageddon, which I still will say is a great movie. It's a great movie. Speaker 2 00:37:45 It's amazing. It is amazing what they accomplished with the people that they did. And like actually going back to Star Wars, like that's what, that's what George Lucas did with the New Hope. I mean it mm-hmm. <affirmative> like Harrison Ford was kind of the only known entity at the time, Speaker 1 00:38:00 And he wasn't even really that known Speaker 2 00:38:02 And ness. Sorry, don't wanna, you know. Speaker 1 00:38:05 Ooh. Um, have you seen the Bridge on the River? Why? Speaker 2 00:38:07 No, it's in my watch list. Speaker 1 00:38:09 So me and Evan, aka a jello, uh, actually talked about that on, so for those who don't know, I think I mentioned the last time I had another podcast called The Differing Cinematic Tastes of Jello and Oliver. That's on like an indefinite hiatus. Um, will it ever come back? I don't know. But we actually talked about the bridge on the River Quiet. Uh, he chose that. Our friend Evan chose that for me to watch. And I was was like, oh, it's really long. Like it's two and I think it was two and a half hours, which isn't really that long compared to Speaker 2 00:38:40 No, some other movies. That's, that's pretty good. Speaker 1 00:38:43 But, um, I watched it and it was like, it was from the fifties. Keep in mind that I'd bought this movie, you know, cuz I do that mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and we watched it and it was really impressive. And Alec Andis is really good in that movie, so everyone always thinks of him as Obi won, but go back and watch the Bridge on the River Quad cuz he's really good in that movie. Speaker 2 00:39:05 Yeah. He was sort of in Star Wars almost like, uh, I don't know, like a cameo performance. Um, you know, he had already made his name elsewhere and obviously he became Obiwan because like Star Wars is such a cultural, culturally iconic movie. But, you know, if you consider before that time, like he had starred like anybody, like, you know, like Brad Pitt isn't necessarily known for like one role. Um, Speaker 1 00:39:36 I have never heard Brad Pitt compared to Alec Guness, but, Speaker 2 00:39:39 Well, there you go. Now, now I've done it Speaker 1 00:39:41 <laugh>. And I think that might have been for, and again, you know, you never know where you read this or hear these things, but maybe having Alec Guness, I think having Alec Guness kind of gave it some star power, no pun intended. Um, Peter Cushing was also in the original Star Wars and he was in a lot of old horror movies. So I think those two were probably like the, Hey, we have actual actors in our movie. When, you know, now you're like, the most famous person to come out of that was Harrison Ford for sure. Speaker 2 00:40:14 And I guess, I don't know, uh, James Earl Jones. I don't know what his, like, how famous he was as a voice actor at the time. Um, but Speaker 1 00:40:23 Yeah, I don't know. Speaker 2 00:40:25 I mean he definitely, you know, his career ramped up from there. Speaker 1 00:40:28 Oh, for sure. Uh, I mean, he's done so much. He even did a version of the Bible, like on tape. Uh, well him, that was like a big, you know, thing to do. Speaker 2 00:40:40 I discovered he is in, he's actually, so he must have like a, uh, I guess some religious ties there. He, he starred in Jesus of Nazareth, the HBO O series, which is ancient, uh, as one of the three Wisemen. And I, I rewatched it. This is like an old, like the family would watch this every year. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, type of thing that probably most people didn't really see. But I was watching it. I was like, wait a minute, <laugh>, that's James Earl Johns <laugh>. Like, what's he doing? <laugh>, you know, dressed up. Dre dressed up as a, as one of the wise men, um, <laugh> and he was pretty young too. So Speaker 1 00:41:19 Is that James? Is Earl Jones? Speaker 2 00:41:21 Is that, is that James Earl Jones Speaker 1 00:41:24 <laugh>. Um, the counter to that though is I've noticed a lot of, uh, religious movies will have like, someone kind of famous as a name. Like I've seen Sean Aston in in movies where you're like, is that Sean Aston in here? It's like, so they, they got at least someone that people have heard of. Um, so I don't know. But yeah, James Earl Jones, at least after Star Wars definitely ramped up, like you said. So where, I don't even know where this train of thought is going. Speaker 2 00:41:59 Yeah, man. You're running the show. I don't Speaker 1 00:42:01 <laugh>. Well that's a Speaker 2 00:42:02 Scary, I'm scared to derail it. <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:42:04 That's a scary thought. Cuz I don't even know what I'm running half the time, but I think pop Oh, I remember. I, we were gonna talk about our first jobs. Speaker 2 00:42:15 Oh yeah. All right. Well, who, who should go first here? Speaker 1 00:42:20 Uh, you can go first. You're older than me. You probably had a job before. I did. Speaker 2 00:42:24 All right. All right. Yeah. So I, well, I don't know about that. I, uh, my first job was working at kfc, um, as a cook. And Okay. It was sort of an interesting time in life because I had, uh, just gotten my license and, you know, you, you want to have some sort of, uh, disposable income whenever you're in high school and you want to, of course be able to drive your car and pay for the gas in it and all those things. Um, and so, uh, basically there's this, this pressure to go get a job, right? And so I went down to Dunking Donuts actually, and I applied there and I was like, you know what? I really don't wanna work there. I <laugh> couldn't really get it out of my mind. I was like, I don't wanna work in this environment. I don't wanna be people facing, uh, I don't wanna like work a cash register. Like really? If, if I could be the guy in the back making the donuts, that would be great. Uh, that's fair. Which turns out they don't, they don't do, you know, unless it's a big store, they actually get their donuts sent in from like the donut place Speaker 1 00:43:29 <laugh>. That's why they're not good Speaker 2 00:43:30 Sometimes. Yeah. It depends on don't get Donuts Speaker 1 00:43:32 Is not, their breakfast sandwiches are good. Their donuts are not. Speaker 2 00:43:36 Oh, I see. I really like their donuts, but I, I know that a lot of people disagree with that. Uh, Speaker 1 00:43:42 Well this is where I, uh, I go high and mighty, being from Erie. We have Mighty Fine Donuts and Jack, of course Jack Frost Donuts. So Speaker 2 00:43:50 Yeah. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:43:51 Yeah. Yeah. We've got a couple options that are better than anything. Speaker 2 00:43:54 Well, Duncan holds a special place in my heart for a few reasons, but I, uh, I guess we can go on that tangent. I, so growing up we would have them, you know, that was a treat as a family. And then we would have them on vacation that my grandparents would bring them up to Canada whenever we were there. Um, Speaker 1 00:44:11 Okay. So you have a reason Speaker 2 00:44:13 <laugh> Well, and, and then actually no. Most significantly, uh, it was also the site of our first date, uh, my wife and I. Speaker 1 00:44:20 So thank you for clarifying <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:44:22 Yeah, yeah. I needed to get that out. It's like, oh my gosh. Can you imagine if I talked about Duncan without that? Um, so that's the, the main thing. Um, but yeah, so I did not wanna work. I didn't wanna work at Duncan. Uh, so I, I had a friend who was working at KFC and he said, you know, if you apply, you'll, you'll get the job. Which in our town was somewhat rare because high school jobs were like actually coveted. It was like, there weren't enough of them to go around. Hmm. Um, so I, I went down the K F C I applied, uh, basically filled out my application and interviewed in the restaurant at, at a table with one of the managers. And I don't really know, I don't know anymore what a, what those interviews are like for, uh, like very intro level jobs like that. Speaker 2 00:45:10 But it was, uh, I remember it being significant. And then of course I got the job and I got to be a cook at KFC with, um, several of my friends. It was pretty awesome. Like my brother worked there, uh, and two of my best friends worked there simultaneously. Uh, a couple of other friends worked there and for like one month we all overlapped, uh, of employment there. That was really fun. And it was such a good time cuz it was like everybody apart from the manager. Um, <laugh> in the restaurant was like just friends, like, and actually hung out and were friends outside of, you know, that, that setting. And so we, we just were, you know, it was a blast. We actually did perform pretty well. I guess we got like the K ffc location of the, the state for that, for that month, which was pretty cool. Um, but yeah, I love it. I, I'm not sick of, of fried chicken or K ffc food. I still love it. Uh, and yeah, it was, it was a pretty good first experience. Definitely one of those, like you work in a restaurant or in the food industry and you know, that is a great place to start cuz you cut your teeth on a lot of kind of gritty experiences that you don't, you're not gonna get another environments. Speaker 1 00:46:30 Yeah. So my first job was also in the food industry. Mine was a little different. I didn't get a job until I had just graduated high school. Um, I worked at a Ponderosa. Speaker 2 00:46:44 Ooh. Speaker 1 00:46:45 Yeah. Which, I don't know, I think there's like one or two still in existence somewhere. Um, Speaker 2 00:46:51 Was it the one in Erie that I've been Speaker 1 00:46:53 To? Well, there were two in, there was one in Erie and one in Harbor Creek near Barron. I worked at the one up by the mall. Speaker 2 00:47:00 Okay. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:47:02 So, uh, you know, for those who don't know, it's, it's a buffet kind of salad bar type place. You can act order steak or actual food, like you order a meal or you can eat off a salad bar. Um, they had really good chicken wings that weren't covered in anything. They were literally just fried and they were delicious. And I, I wish I could have a ponderosa chicken wing right now. Hmm. Um, but I worked as a cashier. I got hired like right outta high school, uh, before college. So I was not good at it and I kind of hated it. <laugh>. Um, you know, no offense to anyone who worked at Ponderosa and is listening to this show, which is probably not a very big Venn diagram. Speaker 2 00:47:49 No. Well, I mean maybe if they know you. Maybe. Speaker 1 00:47:52 Maybe. Yeah. Um, well, so first off, you know, I guess first jobs go one of two ways, which sounds like an obvious statement. Like, yours was really good. Mine was like, I have no idea what I'm doing. Um, and I was going through some stuff in my own life at the time that I didn't really know what I was doing in general. So Speaker 2 00:48:13 What time period is this? How old, how old would you say you were? Speaker 1 00:48:17 I was 17. Speaker 2 00:48:18 17. Yeah. So same, same age. Speaker 1 00:48:19 Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I was a cashier and a host. Um, and the like, that's itself was not bad. Like seating people was pretty easy, you know, being a cashier was pretty easy. The only annoying thing is that they ordered at the front. So like, they had to actually order with me. The only annoying thing is that I had to do my job. Right. <laugh>, um, Speaker 2 00:48:43 <laugh>, it's, it's always funny, like, you know, in any job like you, you start to complain and then you're, you're like, oh yeah, that's in the, like, that's literally what, what Speaker 1 00:48:52 My job is <laugh>. The only annoying thing was having to take people's orders. Like Yeah. That's what we're paying you for, right? Um, no, A lot of was the side work was annoying. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, like, you know, filling dessert displays and uh, you know, checking bathrooms every now and then. Hopefully not at the same time. But, uh, I still remember, I don't know if my boss was being serious or not, or if he just wanted to see if I would do it, but there was like grout in the, well, in the floors, like in between the tiles and it looked dirty. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like I, I don't know if I thought food got in there or something and he told me to grab a spoon and like clean it out. Okay. So I actually did Speaker 2 00:49:43 With a spoon. Speaker 1 00:49:44 Yeah. I don't know why it was a spoon, but a spoon comes to mind. And so strange <laugh>. So part of me now is thinking he just wanted to see if I would actually do it. Speaker 2 00:49:55 It might have been a test. Speaker 1 00:49:56 Yeah, it might have been. He also, and he was a really nice guy. Like, I have nothing against him. If he's listening to this, like I, I have no issue with him. Like, it was fine. Oh, come on. Um, <laugh>. No, no, no. He was a good guy. Yeah. Um, so I'm just, I I always remember that. But what I remember the most about working at Ponderosa is it happened in October of 2011. I was seeing all these posts on Facebook a about like, oh, I'm really gonna miss working there. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm gonna, you know, I can't believe this happened. And so I get a hold of a coworker and at that point I'm really working like one day a week. Um, cuz college had started mm-hmm. <affirmative> and could I have worked other days? Probably. But you know, I, I was fine with them thinking that I could only work Saturdays. Um, I found out via Facebook that the restaurant had closed and I no longer at a job. Speaker 2 00:50:57 Wow. Yeah. Wow. What an age of social media, honestly. Yeah. That Speaker 1 00:51:01 Like, and just the day before my boss had called me and asked if I could work, but I was in Ohio, so I was literally out of state. And so we liked to joke that because I couldn't go in for work. That's why they closed. They're like, oh, it's, it's over. We couldn't get Brian in. Let's pack it up <laugh>. But I Speaker 2 00:51:22 Still, you you have some guilt. Speaker 1 00:51:24 <laugh>. It was the weirdest away. Like, I, I didn't even, like, I mean, they would've told me eventually. Speaker 2 00:51:31 That's so Speaker 1 00:51:32 Strange. I found out via Facebook. It was so weird. And also I'll never, like, there's no Ponderosa there anymore. I don't get to eat chicken wings. Speaker 2 00:51:40 Wow. Speaker 1 00:51:41 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:51:42 Wow. It's like the rug was just pulled out from under you. Speaker 1 00:51:44 And again, uh, you know, I, I think, uh, I don't know why I didn't just get another job right from there, but eventually, uh, as you know, I started working at Barron mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, in the, the cafeterias and the dining halls. Um, and that I really enjoyed. So silver Speaker 2 00:52:06 Lining. You did what? I could not Speaker 1 00:52:07 Yeah. You couldn't work at Barron. Speaker 2 00:52:09 Well it was, uh, I partially, it did not occur to me. Uh, and then, and then the other, the other part of it was like I was, I just felt constantly somewhat slammed either between classwork, social experiences and, and other things going on. It was just like, it didn't really fall into a category of things that I thought I should do's. And looking back it was like, it was probably a miss cuz I probably could have made time to even make just a little bit of cash on the side. Which Speaker 1 00:52:39 Would be, well not even that. It's really the people you worked with were really fun. Speaker 2 00:52:43 Oh yeah. I mean, everybody at like, at the dining halls especially looked like they were having a good time. Like there was some nice camaraderie going on in the kitchens and stuff. So Speaker 1 00:52:52 When I worked there as a student, cuz I also worked there after I graduated. Uh, but when I worked there as a student, I always, my favorite shift was like 6:00 AM to 10:00 AM Uh, because I would work either making breakfast or I had help them deliver the stuff to the other places on campus. And you had to be a little crazy, I thought to work at six in the morning, like to willingly work at six in the morning. Speaker 2 00:53:19 You do, Speaker 1 00:53:20 You really do like the other students? I mean, not like, not the, the full-time workers. Obviously you're scheduled whatever you're scheduled. Right. But as students, we chose our schedules, we chose our shifts, so you had to be a little crazy to work at six in the morning. Uh, so we had a lot of fun. Uh, so that, that was more. And I worked off and on at Barrons. Let's see. So I worked there every like school year from sophomore year till I graduated. Then I came back and I worked at a cart. Um, after that I worked in housing cleaning dorms. Then I left and then I came back, worked at Dobbins, which is the cafeteria one got transferred down to Bruno's, which is the more, a la carte one got transferred back up once someone came back to work and then got transferred back down to Bruno's two days later. So <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:54:16 Oh Speaker 1 00:54:16 My gosh. I have basically, I wor I worked almost everywhere in housing and food services at Barron. Um, there's a couple places I missed, but almost everywhere. And honestly, the last time when I worked, I was a fryer. Like I, I, I pretty much exclusively fried foods and, and kept up on other things too, but mm-hmm. <affirmative> loved Speaker 2 00:54:39 It. You're like a celebrity in the, in like the health and food service, like the whole group. I'm sure everybody like kind of knew you Speaker 1 00:54:47 There. I want a plaque. Yeah. <laugh> or just a brick that's like, this is Brian's brick. This is to commemorate this kid who worked here <laugh>. Speaker 2 00:54:56 Well, and you know, paying tuition too. It's like you sort of feel like you should get Speaker 1 00:55:01 <laugh>. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:55:01 You know, at least give me like a little sign above, like a urinal or something Like this one is, is dedicated to Matt Speaker 1 00:55:08 <laugh>. You know, there was a name tag in a, in a stall at Barron in one of the buildings and I ripped it off one time, but it didn't come off all the way. It was like a sticker tag. Um, and last I knew, which was probably four years ago, it was still there. Speaker 2 00:55:30 Wow. Speaker 1 00:55:30 Because I went and yeah. So I'm like, wow. Good, Speaker 2 00:55:34 Good adhesive Speaker 1 00:55:35 <laugh>. It's a good adhesive. Good job. 3M or whoever manufactured that sticker. Um, but I think that's gonna do it for today's episode. What do you think? Slippery? Speaker 2 00:55:47 Yeah. Pretty full of, uh, very useful information I would say. Speaker 1 00:55:51 So, yeah. I'm gonna have to go through like when I write the episode, just, oh, something fell Speaker 2 00:55:56 <laugh>. I know I've had a lot of background noise here too, Speaker 1 00:55:59 So I guess this is a good time to end. But, um, yeah, going through the show, like when I write the description for the episode, I'm gonna have like, like tons of things. Cuz we went through about like 15 topics I think maybe 30. No, it was, we went through a lot of stuff. Speaker 2 00:56:17 Yeah. Maybe, maybe 10, 15. Yeah, Speaker 1 00:56:19 I mean at least seven. Um, and we didn't intend to, and this is what I want for the show though, is for us to just like, what are we talking about? Like, well, I don't know. Yeah, let's start the episode talking about taxes. Cuz that's what, what's going on right now. Speaker 2 00:56:33 Sure is. I mean, come on. Speaker 1 00:56:36 <laugh>. Taxes. Am I right? Speaker 2 00:56:38 Taxes? Everyone, everyone in America. Uh, we're not gonna listen. <laugh>, they shut us off cuz it was the first thing <laugh>. Speaker 1 00:56:45 They're like, yeah, there's this new podcast. Uh, they talk about taxes. So, you know, it's some econ podcast, I don't know, some finance podcast. Uh, we'll talk about, I think we have in the show notes, uh, economics. I don't know. I remember taking some econ classes for some reason, but Speaker 2 00:57:04 Yeah, I took macro and micro. Um, yeah. And then, you know, since like I, I live and work in this economy, so <laugh>, of course I'm an expert Speaker 1 00:57:12 <laugh> in this economy, Speaker 2 00:57:14 In in the, the economy, the world Speaker 1 00:57:17 Economy, uh, <laugh>. So we may have a guest on next episode. We are trying to, to get that sorted out. Uh, more details to come on our Facebook page, which we have. Uh, I think technically there's a Twitter. I don't know if I have access to it, but I No, I do. I was just, Speaker 2 00:57:37 It's tweeting or I don't, is it tweeting in anonymously or autonomously? Autonomously. Speaker 1 00:57:43 We've created artificial intelligence. Avengers, ages of snorkeling with Narwals. Yeah. <laugh>. Um, but yeah, that's gonna do it for today's episode. I am Brian Speaker 2 00:57:55 And I'm slippery. Speaker 1 00:57:56 And this has been snorkeling with Narwals. Speaker 2 00:57:59 See ya.